Friday, October 05, 2007

Hmm, this isn't the same speech he gave at Columbia U?


Ahmadinejad vows to abolish Israel
Tens of thousands of Iranians turned out for the march in central Tehran, carrying anti-Zionist banners, chanting “Death to Israel” and burning Israeli and American flags.

“The Palestinian people are standing firm. The Iranian people and other peoples will not stop until all of Palestinian territory is liberated,” Mr Ahmadinejad told the faithful at Tehran University.

“They (world powers) should not think that the Iranian nation and other nations in the region will take off their hands off the throat of the Zionists and their supporters.”


How long before the Gog & Magog war, where God once again supernaturally wipes out Israel's enemies?

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2

For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, Lord, art become their God.
2 Samuel 7:24

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. Psalm 33:12

For the Lord hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure. Psalm 135:4

9 comments:

JeepThang said...

You know.. the more I look into this, the more I start thinking that our Rapture is not really "right around the corner," but more in the lines of probably 20 years away.

I hope I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

Hi jeepthanh- I'm thinking about 10 years-

Jamie

Endtime said...

Maybe I'm a 'little out of it' (because I can't manage to sleep much these days-is God making me restless for a reason?), but I think Christ's physical coming could be any day. I don't think the rapture, that is so prevalently taught today, is what is imminent. I think today's Laodicean church has misconstrued a ton of end times prophesy, just like they are missing the whole significance of Islam in the end times, as pointed out by Ellis Skolfield (Jamie you know what I'm talking about).

I like Skolfield's thinking that June, 1967 was the official return of Israeli control over Jerusalem (i.e. time of the Gentiles was finished). I think scripture points undeniably to that fact, once it is interpreted correctly. Couple that with Matthew 24:

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Few deny that Israel is the figurative fig tree in this passage, and that Israel is indeed 'greening' again in prosperity.
Therefore I'm thinking that 'this generation' that sees these things could describe any day now (2007-1967 = 40 years, a typical generation). Or a generation could be 70-80 years as per Psalm 90:10.

Correct me if I'm 'out to lunch' with this, but with Ahmadinejad ranting 'Israel's destruction', Putin resuming the Cold War, and China (the kings of the east) supporting the persecution of Christians and Jews in Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, and the Burmese persecution of Christians and the Karens (a potential former tribe of the northern kingdom of Israel - ie. one of the so-called 'lost tribes' of Israel, though we are assured none are 'lost' to God). For more on this Karen tribe see Skolfield's The False Prophet, pg. 82). As an aside, it is tragically significant that the Karens are undergoing horrific persecution from the Bermese government as I write this. Rest assured, God is not pleased when some of His remnant is still being persecuted - revenge will follow swiftly in the post-1967 period we are living in today.

What if Ahmadinejad and his Muslim allies, along with his economic allies of Russia and China suddenly decide to march against Jerusalem, to (as 'Dinnerjacket' calls it) liberate Al-Quds for a Palestinian capital? I'd say that would bring on Gog&Magog (aka 'Armageddon' - and I'm not alone in thinking the two are one and the same) right away, and bring Christ down to earth in amazing glory to wipe out everyone not loyal to him.

I think it will be 'this generation', whether that be 40 or 70-80 years from 1967. But the way Ahmadinejad, Russia and China are positioning themselves, I don't think it will be 30-40 years from now. The earth doesn't have that much time. The nations of the earth would destroy themselves before 2037-2047, so in my opinion Christ is coming sooner to straighten everything/everyone out. The magnitude of that awesome thought makes me tremble in awe. We're about to meet up with the supernatural - may the Lord prepare our hearts - amen!

JeepThang said...

OK.. I think we're talking about 2 seperate things.

My initial statement reflected concern over when to seriously expect Rapture. From what I understand, Gog and Magog is supposed to happen at the end of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth.. and then the big day of judgement that those Raptured prior to the Tribulation will not take part in.

So.. like I said already, I hope and pray that I am wrong, but I don't seriously think the Rapture is going to be "very, very soon" as I've read accounts say.. which some are 14 years old.

Here's the problem with our "soon" and God's "soon".. "Soon" to God could be upwards of 9 billion eons.
"Soon" to us is.. Thursday.

It is true that things are bad and getting worse every minute.. but they aren't "that bad".. yet.

10 years sounds reasonable. 20 years.. I don't see the world lasting that long until we blow it up ourselves.

Endtime, maybe you should take a day or two off from eschatology.. maybe that restlessness is from being consumed by it. I have a blog as well.. and I had to take a break for a little while because it was depressing me.. nothing but bad news. Now, Im over that and don't worry about it and everything is allright.

Now.. as I said before, I hope I'm wrong about Rapture and that it is "soon" by our reckoning. I'm tired and want to go home.

JeepThang said...

OH!!! I just remembered something..

You are all familiar with the garbage being spouted by Amadenijad in Tehran and all the other muslims about Israel needing to be removed from Earth and all.

Well.. what if..

We all know who allah really is.. and he knows that he has a short time left.. and probably thinks that if he can keep Israel from being a country, then those prophecies won't come true. However, Israel will be and remain a country from now until the end. We have God's promise of this.

Just makes me wonder if maybe the muslims are being spiritually(?) pressured into hating Israel because of this instead about some bogus real estate claim.

Im not sure I explained it right, tho.

Thoughts?

Endtime said...

I think that Muslims are completely devoted to carrying out the devil's work. Their 'fruits' label them as children of darkness. Just look at the blasphemies written on the Dome of the Rock (Jesus is not the Son of God; there is no Trinity and Allah is the only God, etc) on Mount Moriah. If Christians said the same about Islam, we'd already be in WWIII instead of just on the verge of it.

I see Mohammad as the false prophet, the devil as the beast, and Muslims as those who received the mark:

9Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

I know this doesn't tie with what is being taught out there as being "air tight" end time doctrine, but like I said, I think today's church has gone off the beaten path with a lot of fanciful ideas.

Now about your suggestion that maybe I should take a break from all this end times talk...I think we live in too significant a time to take a break right now. Plus I like updating my blog to get people's attention to the epicenter (to quote Joel word for Jerusalem). I have long thought that Israel is the literal center of the universe, and when the center of the universe is being threatened, after being re-gathered by our Lord, people need to sit up and pay attention.

jeepthang - If you haven't read Ellis Skolfield's The False Prophet yet, I highly recommend that you do. Reading that book absolutely lit a fire under me to sit up and pay attention and get others to do the same.

Have a great night.

JeepThang said...

Ive read almost everything else on Skolfield's site.. but not that one due to length.. (A.D.D. and all that :P )
I am reading it now.

Anonymous said...

Hi Endtime- I'm with you on thinking Gog-magog and Armagedon are the same thing.As you know, I'm doing an in depth study of Isaiah, and everything I'm finding is awe inspiring and terrifying at the same time. There are more than one referance to what only can be Islam.The interpetation of Scripture by the 'mainstream'is not what I'm finding at all. And thats whats frightening me. Remember 1st century Jews and 21st century Christians? How blind and deaf? My great concern are those who believe in Replacement Theology, because thats my family. Are they the same as ones that said to Jesus,'Lord, Lord, I did such and such in Your name' and Jesus said He never knew them?Because they didn't act the way Scripture clearly tells us to act in regard to the Jewish people. I'm sick about this.I don't have the answer.Do you know?

I know how it is to not be able to sleep,because of whats going on.I try to put Isaiah aside for a day or two, and I can't. I go back over what I studied last week and something differant that has been fulfilled jumps off the page. I read your blog, and then something in Isaiah comes to life. I'm praising God, but fearing for those I love. There is very little rest for those who are anticipating Jesus return as THE ARM OF THE LORD!!

I think its in Luke 21 where Jesus says, "look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near." I have a map that shows how all the LBL beast countries came into being within the same time period- when Allenby took Jerusalem from the Turks-up untill recently. Everything is happening JUST AS GOD SAID. Why can't people see that?

Jamie

Endtime said...

jeepthang,

TFP book will be worth your while to read! It will explain a lot of the chaos and terror that is about to come on the world.

Jamie,

That's what I like about you - you think like me (LOL!)

Replacement theology confounds me. I don't see any support for that in Holy scripture other than the fact that God was ticked off at Israel for their disobedience, but Jacob is undoubtedly being restored to 'the land'. The fact that the remnant even exists is a pure miracle but it happened because the Creator of absolutely everything willed it that way. Plus 1948 and 1967 are pointed to in prophesy as described by Skolfield. But you obviously know all that, so I pray for your family, that God would take the blindness from their eyes.

Regarding whether Christ will say because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth to people that believe in RT...I think Revelation 3's Laodiceans is descriptive of the greater church just before Christ comes back. In other words, I think that passage is descriptive of the church TODAY!

I live in an area that is very rich - me excluded. There is a lot of oil wealth here (I live in Alberta, Canada) and it is very tempting for the churches in my area not to see their spiritual nakedness and wretchedness. Too much money amongst church members is a real impediment to spiritual growth. So sad, but so true.

So I think the Laodiceans are most of the people that are Christians today. I'm not judging, that's just my opinion, which also fits with my opinion that Christ is likely to come back soon. We are the 7th church of Revelation; we are at the last 'church stage' - in my opinion.

The fig tree is indeed greening BIG TIME. People can't see that, because, just like in the days of Noah, most people are not looking for it. Except you and me and jeepthang, among some others.

God bless, I'd better go eat some more turkey before my kids "gobble" it all up (pun intended).