this headline-I just couldn't ignore:
DEBKAfile Exclusive: A secret British military delegation arrives in Tehran, as Ahmadinejad pushes for an immediate military confrontation with the UK and US
I like to post from Debkafile because they seem to be at least a week ahead of the, so-called, "mainstream media".
It's interesting how the politically correct are calling the Iraq war: a battle against insurgents. I will be so bold and just call it: the start of Armageddon. I'm not trying to be sensationalist (this blog doesn't sell advertising), but as I've stated on this blog many times before, this war is against the Leopard-Bear-Lion (LBL) beast of Islam. The Leopard-Bear-Lion beast is found in Daniel 7 (described as separate, now historic, empires in the Middle East). This beast rears its head again in Revelation 13, as a combined LBL beast, and in Revelation 16 as the instigator of Armageddon. The United States is fighting this LBL beast today, and I am convinced that the US will not be able to leave Iraq without, at least, giving Iran a bloody nose. But the US will likely not leave Iraq because once they give Iran a proverbial bloody nose - hell will break loose in the Middle East. A hell that (I believe) will kill 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:14-15), and is described as "the 6th Seal; the 6th Trumpet; and the 6th Bowl of Revelation.
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon (aka satan), out of the mouth of the beast (the Rev 13 LBL beast) and out of the mouth of the false prophet (Mohammed). 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. (this is starting to happen. Only question (in my opinion) - when does this battle really get going?)
DEBKAfile Exclusive: A secret British military delegation arrives in Tehran, as Ahmadinejad pushes for an immediate military confrontation with the UK and US
I like to post from Debkafile because they seem to be at least a week ahead of the, so-called, "mainstream media".
It's interesting how the politically correct are calling the Iraq war: a battle against insurgents. I will be so bold and just call it: the start of Armageddon. I'm not trying to be sensationalist (this blog doesn't sell advertising), but as I've stated on this blog many times before, this war is against the Leopard-Bear-Lion (LBL) beast of Islam. The Leopard-Bear-Lion beast is found in Daniel 7 (described as separate, now historic, empires in the Middle East). This beast rears its head again in Revelation 13, as a combined LBL beast, and in Revelation 16 as the instigator of Armageddon. The United States is fighting this LBL beast today, and I am convinced that the US will not be able to leave Iraq without, at least, giving Iran a bloody nose. But the US will likely not leave Iraq because once they give Iran a proverbial bloody nose - hell will break loose in the Middle East. A hell that (I believe) will kill 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:14-15), and is described as "the 6th Seal; the 6th Trumpet; and the 6th Bowl of Revelation.
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon (aka satan), out of the mouth of the beast (the Rev 13 LBL beast) and out of the mouth of the false prophet (Mohammed). 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. (this is starting to happen. Only question (in my opinion) - when does this battle really get going?)
15"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."
16Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Revelation chapter 16. My comments in parenthesis)
I know the standard Christian eschatological view is that the beast will be a "revived Roman Empire", but this Christian just doesn't see that in the LBL beast. I've posted the following article on my blog before. But this is so important, I need to post it again. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear":
This page is only a short explanation of the verses in the Bible that predict the fall of Islam during this generation. It is only intended as an overview. For a complete analysis of the subject, please go to www.ellisskolfield.com. Read our e-book, "The False Prophet" and the other letters and essays on that site. All are free downloads.
First of all, we need to learn what some of the figurative words in Revelation, like "beast," actually mean. The definition for "beast" can be found in an Old Testament book of the prophet Daniel. In Daniel 7, the figurative word "beast" was defined as world empires that existed during and after Daniel's time.
1. The first beast in Daniel 7 was a Lion. History shows this Lion beast to be a figurative picture of the Babylonian empire. (Babylon controlled the Holy Land from 606 to 536 B.C.)
2. The next beast in his vision was a Bear. History shows this Bear to be a figurative picture of the Medo-Persian empire. (Medo-Persia controlled the Holy Land from 536 B.C. to 332 B.C.)
3. The third beast was a Leopard. History shows this Leopard to be a figurative picture of the Greek empire (Grecian rulers controlled the Holy Land from 332 B.C. to 65 B.C. when Rome took control).
So unless God changes the definition of "beast" later in Scripture, visionary beasts should always be understood as empires. Babylon the Lion, Medo-Persia the Bear and Greece the Leopard. Each of these empires controlled the whole known world, from India to Greece, the Holy Land, and even into North Africa. In other words, the whole Middle East.
Now lets pan forward to 95 A.D., when John, a New Testament prophet, foretells the future of the Middle East during the Christian Era. In his visions, guess what John sees? Three more beasts: the Leopard-Bear-Lion "beast," a Two Horned "beast" and a Scarlet "beast". These three "beasts" are not real beasts because we now know that "beast" means something other than a wild animal:
Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which I saw was like unto a Leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a Bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a Lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."
Beasts = Empires, but this beastly empire in Revelation is a composite Leopard-Bear-Lion so it isn't just one of Daniel's three empires. It's all three empires rolled into one. In other words, this new empire is composed of the descendants of those earlier empires, in the same geographic location. Looking back at the history of the Middle East, we can now identify this new empire as the various Islamic powers that have controlled the Holy Land, and particularly Jerusalem since the 1st Jihad (which began in 639 A.D.)
Some might claim that the Islamic states in the Middle East do not constitute a real "empire" because they are not united under one central government, but the God of the Bible is far more concerned with the spiritual realities in a land than He is with how many earthly governments it may have. The reality is this: All Middle Eastern states are united under one religion, Islam, and all Moslems have one central goal: world conquest for their religion. So how should Revelation 13 be understood? Quoted below is part of the chapter, with a few of my words inserted (in parenthesis) to explain the figures . . .
Revelation 13:1-5 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast (an empire) rise up out of the sea (of people Rev 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (various Islamic rulers in the Middle East who controlled the Holy Land), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (this empire stands against the God of the Bible). And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Leopard-Bear-Lion gives the reader a positive ID; it's the Middle East): and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads (governments) as it were wounded to death (the first Jihad
was defeated at the battle of Tours and the battle of Vienna); and his deadly wound was healed (the rise
of Islam today and the new Jihad): and all the world wondered after the beast (this Islamic empire). And they (the people of the Middle East) worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast (the Islamic empire), saying, Who is like unto the beast, who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue (controlling Jerusalem) forty and two months."
Those 42 months is how the above interpretation can be proven. 42 months is 1278.34 days. Construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock began in Jerusalem in 688 A.D.. Jerusalem was freed of Islamic control in 1967 A.D.. Applying the prophetic days of Ezekiel 4:5-6 . . .
1967A.D. - 1278.34 years = 688.66 A. D. An exact historic fit; so the interpretation is correct. But to continue on . . .
Revelation 13:6-9 "And he (the Leopard-Bear-Lion) opened his mouth in blasphemy against God (by
saying "God forbid that He should have a Son"), to blaspheme his name (by trying to change the name of the true God from I AM, to that of a local Arab deity), and his tabernacle (God's temple mount in Jerusalem), and them that dwell in heaven (Believers are presently seated in heaven with Christ, Eph 2:6). And it was given unto him (the Islamic empire) to make war with the saints (the Christians and Jews),
and to overcome them (during the 1st Jihad): and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues, and nations (of the Middle East). And all that dwell upon the earth (the known world at the time of John) shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb (Jesus, the Son of God) slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."
Not many can hear, but it is now apparent that 1.3 billion people are being terribly deceived by Satan.
The God of the Bible and the god of Islam are not the same being because the God of the Bible said, "they worship the dragon" (Satan). What's more, the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are totally different
in nature; they have different values and teach people to behave differently . . .
The Quran states: "O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers ... " (Sura 9:123).
The God of the Bible says: "Love your enemies."
The Quran states: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every stratagem (of war)" (Sura 9:5).
The God of the Bible says: "Bless them that curse you."
The Quran states: "Fight those who believe not in God [Allah] and his apostle [Muhammad], nor acknowledge the religion of truth [even if they are] of the people of the book [i.e. Jews and Christians], until they pay jizya [humiliating tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [enslaved]" (Sura 9:29).
The God of the Bible says: "Do good to them that hate you."
The Quran states: "Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers [in fight] smite at their necks; at length,
when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly [on them]" (Sura 47:4).
The God of the Bible says: "Pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."
So you see, the Bible and the Quran teach different thoughts and a different morality. In 1984, Ayatollah Khomeini declared to the entire world: "In order to achieve the victory of Islam in the world, we need to provoke repeated crises, restored value to the idea of death and martyrdom. The important thing is to engulf the world in crises."
The God of the Bible goes on to say:
Be ye kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
The point being, the God of the Bible and Allah are not the same being because One teaches man to do good and the other teaches man to do evil. One teaches love and peace, the other teaches war and
hatred. One is really the Creator of the Universe and one is not.
So which is a god worthy of worship? The One who teaches man to do good or the one who teaches man
to do evil?
The Quran states: "God forbid that he should have a son." Jesus declared He is the Son of God and in saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM" declared Himself to be God.
Jesus also said: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
We should pray for Moslems, not hate them. If they do not turn to Jesus, their eventual fate could be the greatest tragedy in all human history.
Revelation 13:16 "And he (the Leopard-Bear-Lion) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the (Islamic) beast, or the number of his name."
Like the rest of the church, I used to teach that above verse was a worldwide prophecy, but that doesn't
fit context. The Leopard-Bear-Lion prophecy is about the Middle East and the Islamic control of the Holy Land and nowhere else. Contextually, the mark of the beast is given by the Leopard-Bear-Lion, the Islamic empire. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world now, but do you see that mark on a forehead of any of the servants of the Leopard-Bear-Lion? No? Then that mark must be an invisible Satanic mark, on the forehead of Moslems, seen only in the spiritual world. That "no man might buy or sell" is not about China, Europe or the Americas, it's about conditions that have existed for Christians and Jews in Islamic
countries ever since the 1st Jihad. One only needs to watch the nightly news or read about the latest beheading to see how accurate that prophecy is.
Revelation 14:9-11 ". . . If any man worship the (Islamic) beast and his image (some eschatologists believe that image to be the Kaaba stone in Mecca), and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand (man thinks evil thoughts in his mind and with his hands he does them), the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb (Jesus): And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast and his image (the Kaaba stone?), and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
So will Islam fall? The God of the Bible says so. As written earlier, it will be a spiritual tragedy of unimaginable proportions, and it will happen because the followers of the Leopard-Bear-Lion have been deceived into rejecting the Son of God who sacrificed Himself for all mankind on the Cross of Calvary. Scripture goes on to say:
Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six," i.e., 666.
Many books have been written about that number, all speculative, but about 20 years ago a former Muslim who could read Arabic told me that 666 was the number of the Koran. I believed him, sort of, and promptly forgot about it. Then about three months ago, another friend told me there were many Islamic sites on
the Internet claiming 666 to be the number of the Koran, though Moslems keep changing the addresses which makes those sites harder for us infidels to find. But that did it; by knowing the true identity of 666, the last piece of the Leopard-Bear-Lion puzzle fell into place. We can now see the verse in a new light:
666 The number of a man! So what man has led a billion and a half people away from the Savior of the world? What man said, "God forbid that he should have a son." Is that not Muhammad, the prophet of the Leopard-Bear-Lion? Of course, and according to the Bible, the end for him and his followers will be grim indeed:
Revelation 19:20 "And the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast was taken, and with him the false prophet (Muhammad) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image (the Kaaba stone?). These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
May our beloved God, who sacrificed His only begotten Son for all mankind, take the blindness from their eyes while there is still time.
First of all, we need to learn what some of the figurative words in Revelation, like "beast," actually mean. The definition for "beast" can be found in an Old Testament book of the prophet Daniel. In Daniel 7, the figurative word "beast" was defined as world empires that existed during and after Daniel's time.
1. The first beast in Daniel 7 was a Lion. History shows this Lion beast to be a figurative picture of the Babylonian empire. (Babylon controlled the Holy Land from 606 to 536 B.C.)
2. The next beast in his vision was a Bear. History shows this Bear to be a figurative picture of the Medo-Persian empire. (Medo-Persia controlled the Holy Land from 536 B.C. to 332 B.C.)
3. The third beast was a Leopard. History shows this Leopard to be a figurative picture of the Greek empire (Grecian rulers controlled the Holy Land from 332 B.C. to 65 B.C. when Rome took control).
So unless God changes the definition of "beast" later in Scripture, visionary beasts should always be understood as empires. Babylon the Lion, Medo-Persia the Bear and Greece the Leopard. Each of these empires controlled the whole known world, from India to Greece, the Holy Land, and even into North Africa. In other words, the whole Middle East.
Now lets pan forward to 95 A.D., when John, a New Testament prophet, foretells the future of the Middle East during the Christian Era. In his visions, guess what John sees? Three more beasts: the Leopard-Bear-Lion "beast," a Two Horned "beast" and a Scarlet "beast". These three "beasts" are not real beasts because we now know that "beast" means something other than a wild animal:
Revelation 13:2 "And the beast which I saw was like unto a Leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a Bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a Lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."
Beasts = Empires, but this beastly empire in Revelation is a composite Leopard-Bear-Lion so it isn't just one of Daniel's three empires. It's all three empires rolled into one. In other words, this new empire is composed of the descendants of those earlier empires, in the same geographic location. Looking back at the history of the Middle East, we can now identify this new empire as the various Islamic powers that have controlled the Holy Land, and particularly Jerusalem since the 1st Jihad (which began in 639 A.D.)
Some might claim that the Islamic states in the Middle East do not constitute a real "empire" because they are not united under one central government, but the God of the Bible is far more concerned with the spiritual realities in a land than He is with how many earthly governments it may have. The reality is this: All Middle Eastern states are united under one religion, Islam, and all Moslems have one central goal: world conquest for their religion. So how should Revelation 13 be understood? Quoted below is part of the chapter, with a few of my words inserted (in parenthesis) to explain the figures . . .
Revelation 13:1-5 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast (an empire) rise up out of the sea (of people Rev 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (various Islamic rulers in the Middle East who controlled the Holy Land), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (this empire stands against the God of the Bible). And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Leopard-Bear-Lion gives the reader a positive ID; it's the Middle East): and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads (governments) as it were wounded to death (the first Jihad
was defeated at the battle of Tours and the battle of Vienna); and his deadly wound was healed (the rise
of Islam today and the new Jihad): and all the world wondered after the beast (this Islamic empire). And they (the people of the Middle East) worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast (the Islamic empire), saying, Who is like unto the beast, who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue (controlling Jerusalem) forty and two months."
Those 42 months is how the above interpretation can be proven. 42 months is 1278.34 days. Construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock began in Jerusalem in 688 A.D.. Jerusalem was freed of Islamic control in 1967 A.D.. Applying the prophetic days of Ezekiel 4:5-6 . . .
1967A.D. - 1278.34 years = 688.66 A. D. An exact historic fit; so the interpretation is correct. But to continue on . . .
Revelation 13:6-9 "And he (the Leopard-Bear-Lion) opened his mouth in blasphemy against God (by
saying "God forbid that He should have a Son"), to blaspheme his name (by trying to change the name of the true God from I AM, to that of a local Arab deity), and his tabernacle (God's temple mount in Jerusalem), and them that dwell in heaven (Believers are presently seated in heaven with Christ, Eph 2:6). And it was given unto him (the Islamic empire) to make war with the saints (the Christians and Jews),
and to overcome them (during the 1st Jihad): and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues, and nations (of the Middle East). And all that dwell upon the earth (the known world at the time of John) shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb (Jesus, the Son of God) slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."
Not many can hear, but it is now apparent that 1.3 billion people are being terribly deceived by Satan.
The God of the Bible and the god of Islam are not the same being because the God of the Bible said, "they worship the dragon" (Satan). What's more, the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are totally different
in nature; they have different values and teach people to behave differently . . .
The Quran states: "O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers ... " (Sura 9:123).
The God of the Bible says: "Love your enemies."
The Quran states: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every stratagem (of war)" (Sura 9:5).
The God of the Bible says: "Bless them that curse you."
The Quran states: "Fight those who believe not in God [Allah] and his apostle [Muhammad], nor acknowledge the religion of truth [even if they are] of the people of the book [i.e. Jews and Christians], until they pay jizya [humiliating tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [enslaved]" (Sura 9:29).
The God of the Bible says: "Do good to them that hate you."
The Quran states: "Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers [in fight] smite at their necks; at length,
when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly [on them]" (Sura 47:4).
The God of the Bible says: "Pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."
So you see, the Bible and the Quran teach different thoughts and a different morality. In 1984, Ayatollah Khomeini declared to the entire world: "In order to achieve the victory of Islam in the world, we need to provoke repeated crises, restored value to the idea of death and martyrdom. The important thing is to engulf the world in crises."
The God of the Bible goes on to say:
Be ye kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
The point being, the God of the Bible and Allah are not the same being because One teaches man to do good and the other teaches man to do evil. One teaches love and peace, the other teaches war and
hatred. One is really the Creator of the Universe and one is not.
So which is a god worthy of worship? The One who teaches man to do good or the one who teaches man
to do evil?
The Quran states: "God forbid that he should have a son." Jesus declared He is the Son of God and in saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM" declared Himself to be God.
Jesus also said: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
We should pray for Moslems, not hate them. If they do not turn to Jesus, their eventual fate could be the greatest tragedy in all human history.
Revelation 13:16 "And he (the Leopard-Bear-Lion) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the (Islamic) beast, or the number of his name."
Like the rest of the church, I used to teach that above verse was a worldwide prophecy, but that doesn't
fit context. The Leopard-Bear-Lion prophecy is about the Middle East and the Islamic control of the Holy Land and nowhere else. Contextually, the mark of the beast is given by the Leopard-Bear-Lion, the Islamic empire. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world now, but do you see that mark on a forehead of any of the servants of the Leopard-Bear-Lion? No? Then that mark must be an invisible Satanic mark, on the forehead of Moslems, seen only in the spiritual world. That "no man might buy or sell" is not about China, Europe or the Americas, it's about conditions that have existed for Christians and Jews in Islamic
countries ever since the 1st Jihad. One only needs to watch the nightly news or read about the latest beheading to see how accurate that prophecy is.
Revelation 14:9-11 ". . . If any man worship the (Islamic) beast and his image (some eschatologists believe that image to be the Kaaba stone in Mecca), and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand (man thinks evil thoughts in his mind and with his hands he does them), the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb (Jesus): And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast and his image (the Kaaba stone?), and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
So will Islam fall? The God of the Bible says so. As written earlier, it will be a spiritual tragedy of unimaginable proportions, and it will happen because the followers of the Leopard-Bear-Lion have been deceived into rejecting the Son of God who sacrificed Himself for all mankind on the Cross of Calvary. Scripture goes on to say:
Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six," i.e., 666.
Many books have been written about that number, all speculative, but about 20 years ago a former Muslim who could read Arabic told me that 666 was the number of the Koran. I believed him, sort of, and promptly forgot about it. Then about three months ago, another friend told me there were many Islamic sites on
the Internet claiming 666 to be the number of the Koran, though Moslems keep changing the addresses which makes those sites harder for us infidels to find. But that did it; by knowing the true identity of 666, the last piece of the Leopard-Bear-Lion puzzle fell into place. We can now see the verse in a new light:
666 The number of a man! So what man has led a billion and a half people away from the Savior of the world? What man said, "God forbid that he should have a son." Is that not Muhammad, the prophet of the Leopard-Bear-Lion? Of course, and according to the Bible, the end for him and his followers will be grim indeed:
Revelation 19:20 "And the (Leopard-Bear-Lion) beast was taken, and with him the false prophet (Muhammad) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image (the Kaaba stone?). These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
May our beloved God, who sacrificed His only begotten Son for all mankind, take the blindness from their eyes while there is still time.
26 comments:
several weeks ago you posted an article on the LBL beast [thankyou for that] I went to Skofields site and read all his books articles ect,and I agree with most of his conclusions. Did I miss his interpetation of the 2300 evenings and mornings? If so I would like to hear what he has to say. If he hasn't interpeted the 2300 eves and morns I have a conclusion I would like your opinion on. I enjoy your site-
sorry- I was referring to the 2300 days in Daniel-
I responded on your previous post. I value your opinion and look forward to hearing from you.
Hi lightshine,
In Ellis Skolfield's book The False Prophet, at the end of Chapter 12, it highlights the days=years prophesies on a graph. If it's not refered to on that graph then I'd say Skolfield doesn't talk about it. Off hand, I don't recall Skolfield talking about 2300 days in Daniel, but when I get more time, I'll try and check into it. Can you give me the specific scripture reference you're talking about? Thx.
hi endtime- I looked over the False Prophet last night and didn't see an explaination for the 2300 days, so I'll just give you my thoughts on it:
the passage is Daniel 8:11-14,26-'It set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host;it took away the daily sacrifice from Him, and the place of His sanctuary was brought low. Because of the rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it...........
Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "how long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled-the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?"
He said to me, "it will take 2300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
My interpetation is in the context of Hitler and the Third Reich being the 'little horn'
The evenings and mornings refers to the evening and morning sacrifices, so this refers to 2300 actual days. Interestingly, there are 2306 days between Kristalnacht- the night of broken glass, when synagogues,stores, and homes owned by Jews had their windows broken and often were destroyed- on Nov10,1938, and the end of WWII in Europe on May 7,1945.
How I got there:
2300 evenings and mornings=2300 actual days
using Skofields formula:
2300 divided by 360=6.388 years, Hebrew calendar,=6 1/2 years.
6.388 x .9857=6.297 solor years=6 1/2 years
360 [days in year Hebrew calendar]
360 x .9857= 354.82 days solor year
354.82 x 6years= 2129.11 days
1/2 of 354.82=177.41 days, 1/2year
2129.11 +177.41=2306.52 days.
my interpetation:
the host[the Jewish people]were the daily sacrifice,6,000,000 of whom were sacrificed on the alter of Hitlers Holocaust.The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek word 'holokaustos',meaning 'burnt whole', and is used in the Septuagent-a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures,300BC-to refer to a sacrifice, specifically to an 'offering made unto the Lord'[Gen.22:8]
Although the decree for the 'final solution' didn't come untill the sumer/fall of 1941, Kristalnacht marked the day that focused, legal, persecution of the Jewish people began.
I don't know if this interpetation is correct, but it seems reasonable given the context of Daniels vision and the historical record.
I will appreciate your thoughts on this conclusion, and on whether my math is correct. You're an accountant? And its tax season....... Hope you can find a few minutes to respond!
Thanks!!
Hi endtime- just to reafirm:
1John 4- Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is from God. He is my Lord and Savior.
I wanted to let you know that I am both Jamie and lightshine. I just changed my log-in name and I didn't want to appear deceptive.
I see you're under attack again. I'm glad you're standing up for your right to have an opinion.
Jamie
lightshine,
Thanks. I'm now really, really done with the Joel Rosenberg blog.
wjm persuaded me to come back to the discussion, but there's absolutely no point talking to the "Tim Lahayians", it only causes dumb arguments about end time events that no one (NO ONE!!) has complete knowledge of. I'll repeat that in case wjm, child, forgiven daughter, etc erroneously come to my blog: NO ONE HAS A COMPLETE REVELATION OF HOW END TIME EVENTS WILL HAPPPEN (not even Jerry Jenkins, Tim Lahaye, or Joel Rosenberg).
I will continue to look into Skolfield's contentions because, unlike the Tim Lahayians, I believe Skolfield has successfully interpreted the days prophesies in the Bible. I don't say they're "iron clad", but when Islam and the Muslims are Israel's enemy #1 - YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION to prophesies that label the Al Aqsa mosque as the abomination of desolation.
Israel is the apple of God's eye. The renewed Saudi peace plan of 2002, that Olmert is looking into right now, calls for making east Jerusalem a Palestinian capital. According to the days-years prophesies, the time of the gentiles trampling on Jerusalem IS OVER effective 1967. So I don't think God will allow Palestinians to trample even part of Jerusalem again, which means we're likely headed for a major showdown between Islam (on the one hand) and people of the book - Jews & Christians and infidels (on the other hand). I don't see the EU/Revived Roman Empire being a big threat to Israel today (am I'm missing something here? I doubt it!) Consequently, I don't see the 10 toes of iron AND CLAY of the Daniel statue, representing the revived Roman empire - sorry.
Sorry for the rant Jamie. It's certainly not directed at you. But I feel a whole lot better now. Ahhhh… I can breathe easier now. I don’t know why the traditionalists stick to their guns (and I do mean “guns”) when they are presented with another biblical view that makes the days-years prophesies come alive. Praise the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel these prophesies make sense, but hardly anybody wants to hear about it, and oddly, especially not the people that are left in Christ’s church of Laodiceans – crazy times we live in!!!
Thanks for the 1 John 4 declaration, Jamie. It's not a formality; it's a necessity in this godless age where people think a request for a faith declaration is just a nuisance and down right offensive.
Hi endtime-you are so correct! the Bible does become alive! I was raised in an amillenial environment with replacement theology overtones, a position I rejected by the time I was a teenager.I studied everything I could find on dispensationalism, and was surprised at how much is assumed, and wasn't written in Scripture. Then you directed me to Skofield and everything began to make sense.[I have to thank you again!] His interpetation of days/years,identification of the Dome as the Abomination, the LBL beast-all has given proof that Daniel and Revelation are telling us something that the 'LaHays' are refusing to see. The vehement response to you was an eye-opener. The lack of 'grace' given to you showed me that there is a fear that their belief may be wrong, and then what will they do? I have often wondered how a person who believes they will be raptured before the 'tribulation' will respond when things get really difficult for Christians in this country, like they are for Christians in other countries. I am asking the Lord to strengthen me spiritually so I'll be ready for persecution, if and when it comes.My grandson says we're 'up-armoring our souls' Like you said, anyone who has had Islam on his radar for decades deserves to have his opinion seriously considered.
Have a good day crunching numbers! My brother is a CPA and I don't see,or talk to him during tax season.
Jamie
lightshine
Re: 2,300 evenings and mornings
That's a tough question for my little brain. It brings up a lot of questions in my mind. If the 2,300 evenings and mornings are literal, then you shouldn't be converting the 2,300 evenings and mornings to years as Skolfield does. That is, don't do the calculation which I think would be:
"2,300 x 360 /(divided by) 365.24 = 2,267" to convert from Hebraic to our Gregorian calendar.
If it is literal "evenings and mornings", and since there is an evening and morning in every one day, isn't it then equal to 1,150
days(2,300 divided by 2)?
As well, according to an online calculator, I get 2,370 days between Kristalnacht (Nov 10, 1938) and May 7, 1945. But, as I admit, I was lazy and used some online calculator for a quick calculation.
I also did a calculation from the time sacrifices ceased (583BC), using the same date that fits the other "end of sacrifices" prophesies:
2300 evenings and mornings = half as many days. 2,300/2= 1,150 days
1,150 days, doing the conversion to our Gregorian calendar (for days= years):
1,150 x 360 / 365.24 = 1,133.5 of our years
583BC + 1,133.5 = approx. 550AD This lead me to question what happened in 550AD that was significant to Daniel's people, the nation of Israel?? I haven't found it yet, but mind you I haven't taken a lot of time to find out if 550AD was significant to the Hebrews/Israelites.
Those are my thoughts for now - any more thinking and I think my head will explode :) Keep up your pursuit on this, I certainly don't dismiss you as someone who is wasting time. It's all good when a Christian is digging into the Holy Word - amen.
Have yourself a great Easter! Praise the Lord - Jesus thinks enough of us to have died for us - what a mystery! (another mystery that really boggles my mind (Psalm 8:4))
hi endtime- so there is an online calculator- I counted all the days with a piece of paper, a calendar, and a pen. If there is a difficult way to do something I'll usually find it. I also came up with 2370 literal days.I'll check and see what happened Jan.19,1939.......
550AD? nothing comes to mind.I'll do some checking as well-
Did you get a chance to check the post on 1967 + 1315[1335]=2017?
I hope you and your family have a blessed Easter.
Jamie
Jamie,
On the 1,335 - I gave my "2 cents" on that other post (check 2 posts ago, I think). I've got to get back to family, now. I'm trying to work on witnessing to my unsaved in-laws. If you could pray for an opportunity for me to share - I'd really appreciate it.
Have a great weekend.
Thanks for your encouragement Endtime. After giving it more thought, I probably won't comment any longer on Child's blog. It is apparent she is not open to any dialogue regarding any other view. What was disheartening was realizing she thought I was teaching error or falsehoods. How can one feel welcome then? I'm not a great debater. I'll just stick with talking to the folks close to me who are interested. Have a blessed Easter as you celebrate God's wondrous gift of our salvation through Christ's atoning work on our behave and His rising from the grave and conquering sin and death for us.
hi endtime- thanks for your response to the 1335 days. I knew about the coin. the liberation of Jerusalem in 1917 also fulfilled a prophecy in Isaiah- I'll find the referance. Thanks also for the link- I scimmed over it but will read more later.
I will pray for you today, for opportunities to witness for Jesus today. A few weeks ago I prayed for the same opportunity, and God granted it to me. The Lord bless you today
Jamie
Jamie,
One prophesy in Isaiah that I know refers to Israel's re-birth is Isaiah 66:8:
Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment?
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.
This is descriptive of the Balfour Declaration on May 14, 1948. Israel was declared a nation (again) right after travailing/laboring through the Holocaust. After the "labor" of the Holocaust, Zion/Israel was re-born.
It's disheartening/surprising how many Christians think prophesy in Isaiah and in the other prophetic books is irrelevant, when OT prophesy is heralding the trumpet signal of what is about to transpire. So many, too many, are asleep.
I hope you have a great day. Thanks for praying for my in-laws.
Hi endtime- I hope you had an opportunity to share Jesus yestereday.Prayers will continue........
re: 2300- you are correct-no camputing. I'll continue to look for that time frame in history.
re: Jerusalem 1917- the vese is Isaiah 31:5- "As birds flying, so will the Lord of Hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also He will deliver it, and passing over her will preserve it."
The short version of the account of Allenby liberating Jerusalem is- Allenby sent up a bi-plane to drop leaflets on the city.The leaflets told the Turks to flee Jerusalem and were signed by'Lord Allenby'[He had been knighted Lord Allenby of Meggido].The Turks had an old prophecy that they would never lose the Holy City until a 'man of Allah' came to deliver it. The name Allenby [Allen-Alllah, Beh-man] reminded them of this prophecy, and they fled the city.The workmaen who were atempting to open the east gate also dropped their tools and left the city.
"As birds flying" the bi-planes "defended" the city by dropping the leaflets. They also "delivered" it and "preserved" it. Not a shot was fired or holy place harmed.
Allenby liberated Jerusalem on Dec.11, the year 1335 according to the Turkish calendar. The day and month are found in Haggai 2:18,19
I found this so interesting. Ezekiel 4:3-6 gives the exact date Israel became a nation again, May14,1948.
I am awed by how precisely God fulfills prophecy.
I'm going to read the articles you've posted now. Thanks for doing that!
Jamie
Allenby liberated Jerusalem on Dec.11, the year 1335 according to the Turkish calendar. The day and month are found in Haggai 2:18,19
Hi Jamie,
Can you give me more info on how Haggai's "24th day of the 9th month" ties into Dec 11,1917. How does Haggai's talking about rebuilding the destroyed temple tie into Dec 11, 1921? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm genuinely interested and want more info.
Another question, Allenby was still a gentile, so he was just continuing the trampling of the Gentiles on Jerusalem (Luke 21:24 and Rev 11:2). His capture of Jerusalem continued gentile rule in Jerusalem. To be honest (and just my thoughts), I see more significance in May 14, 1948 (Israel re-born in a day per Isaiah 66:8) and in June, 1967 when "the apple of his eye" (the remnant of Israel) returned to all of Jerusalem.
Hi endtime- The Haggai 9th day of the 24th month corresponds to the date December 11 on our calendar.The date on the Turkish coin was 1917 and 1335[Turkish calendar year. It was the last year they used the Turkish calendar.Thats all I know about the date, although I read that a of people, including DL Moody, predicted 1917 as a year something was going to happen in Jerusalem. I've tried to find some specifics but so far no success.
As far as Gen.Allenby,I read that he was a Christian, and refused to ride into Jerusalem because he believed only Christ could ride into the city as a conquerer.
I agree that Allenby was a Gentile, and that even with his liberation of the city from Turkish rule it was still under gentile rule, but it was a step in the right direction-
I actually am more intregued by the fact that his arrival stopped work on opening the east gate, since the Bible said it would remain closed untill Christ returned. The same thing happened in 1967. Work had begun to open the east gate under King Huissen[sp?] of Jordan and the 6-day war began the same day as the work on the gate started.I found that very interesting.
just so you know, I don't hold a belief in everything I write. I do find these things interesting, and I like getting your opinion.I agree that the dates 1945 and 1967 are the most significant. I think Skofield has interpeted that correctly!
Jamie
hi endtime- that should be 24th day,9th month corresponds to our Dec.11.........see what happens when I don't look at my notes!?
Jamie
Hi Endtime,
I came from Joel Rosenberg's blog to let you know that I certainly agree with your questioning of their certainty about the end times!
I have always thought that the 'anti-Christ' would be from the offspring of the illegitimate son of Abraham and Hagar (Ishmael). If the Bible is used to interpret the Bible (the passages are in concert with each other), we see this fight between Ishmael's and Issac's descendants throughout the Bible and history.
I am very encouraged (from a Biblical point of view) to read Luke 21:20 - as it states, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near." Then in verse 28 it says, "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near". Jesus was talking about the end times when he said this.
With the headlines saying that this summer will be the prime time for war against Israel, this passage may come to pass this year! And I'm not anti-Israel. I am just SO ready for Jesus' return!! I want the day to hasten!
Hi Kelly,
For some reason the "comments" are not working on my latest post. Hopefully this corrects itself in my next post.
As you can see on this blog, I've done a lot of thinking about the present state of Israel, and how the Ishmaelites, Edomites, etc are pressing in on the house of Jacob, and the remnant of Israel.
After studying the traditional theory of a future 7 year tribulation (aka Daniel's 70th week) and then in reading Skolfield's stuff, I have to say that the angel could blow the last trumpet heralding Christ's physical return at any time. (1 Cor 15:51-52; Matthew 24:29-31).
I don't like continuously mentioning Skolfield's name on this blog, because I don't think ALL his theories are rock-solid. HOWEVER, unfortunately I believe it is only Skolfield that has unlocked Daniel's prophesies that were sealed by God until the time of the end (Daniel 12:4) - THE TIME OF THE END IS THE TIME WE LIVE IN TODAY. Israel is back in control of Jerusalem after 2500 years of punishment and exile, so the time of the gentiles is finished (Luke 21:24). We are living (on borrowed time) in the time of the end.
I struggle with being careful and heeding Luke 21:8, which says that we shouldn't say "the time is near", because who knows, in God's eyes "near" could be 75 or 100 years from now. However, I see Israel, the apple of God's eye, in such disarray and under threat, that I am keeping my eyes WIDE open. I'm in my 30's, and God willing I live a normal life span, I fully expect to see the Lord physically return in my lifetime.
Hi endime- Have you read 'Why I left Jihad',by Walid Shhoebat? He has alot of insights on Islam and the end times-which I agree is where we are now.He was a palestinian terrorist who became a Christian.He traces the worship of Allah all the way back to Babylon, the Roman legions that sacked Rome in 70AD were from the Islamic nations of today ect. Most intreging is that in the most ancient manuscript of Revelation, he sees the name 'Allah' in Arabic, a language the translaters weren't familiar with.His opinion is that it has been mistranslated-that John saw the letters in the vision and copied what he saw without understanding. The pictures show what he means.Very interesting.
What part of Skofield do you find not rock solid? I was interested to see he identified Hitler as the little horn.Finally someone did! the history fits Dan7,8 and its a reasonable fit for Dan11:36-45.That the most Catostrophic, tragic event in the history of the Jewish people wouldn't be mentioned by the prophets never seemed credable.2/3 of all European Jews were killed in the Holocaust,1/3 of Jews worldwide. I sure hope Skofield is correct and the 'time of Jacobs trouble' is over!
Jamie
lightshine,
I will try and find time to look up 'Why I left Jihad',by Walid Shhoebat.
About Skolfield not being entirely rock-solid: I'm not entirely sure about his mark of the beast on the right hand or on the forehead contention. Plus there are some "times" prophesies in Daniel 7:12 (1,250 years) and Revelation 12:14 that I'm not sure about. I have to think some more on these. I think the biggest reason I don't say someone (ANYONE) is rock-solid is because I don't want to be known as a "Skolfieldian". Skolfield's book, while remarkable, is not inspired scripture, so I guess I always like to give myself an "out", in case one of his interpretation turns out to be false. Generally I think Skolfield's insights are amazing and Spirit inspired, but I don't know if everything Skolfield says is "tried and true".
Regarding Jacob's trouble being over - YES! God is in the process of restoring the remnant of Israel, and I don't see a future anti-Christ that will greatly persecute Israel anymore. I might have to write about this later on my blog. Gotta get back to work.
Endtime,
I have read all comments in this section. I was surprised at all the slamming that is going on about the bloggers here at Joel Rosenberg's site. I think you even said that you were done posting on Joel's site in one of your comments. I am disheartened and sense that if a person does not subscribe only to Ellis Skofield that they be a foolish crowd. I do not appreciate the title "Tim Lahayians" I am a Christian!!! You should be careful what is being said about your brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Nate,
I called the bloggers on Joel's site Lahayians because they/you?, in my opinion, are unwilling to take a look at scripture outside of the suppositions dramatized in the self-proclaimed "fictional Left Behind" series. Since you are a Christian, and insist that you are not a Lahayian I prayerfully ask you to consider scripture that refutes the Secret Rapture contention.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 clearly says that we will all be changed "at the last trumpet" and the last trumpet is described by Jesus himself in Matthew 24:
29 "Immediately after the suffering of those days
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all
the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see 'the Son of Man
coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory. 31 And
he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will
gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the
other.
Matthew 24 clearly says that Christ will come back on or just after "The day of the Lord". The reference to "the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken" is clearly talking about the day of the Lord as per Joel 2:31-32, and many, many other Old Testament prophesies.
Christ goes on to say that that last trumpet of 1 Cor 15:51-52 heralding the rapture does not blow until: "all
the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see 'the Son of Man
coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory". This isn't going to be a secret rapture. To preach a "secret rapture" is not scriptural. Jesus also said numerous times that he would raise up his people on the last day in John 6:39,40,44, and 54. Jesus never talked about coming to rapture Christians out, and then return a third time on the Day of the Lord. According to 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 we will all be changed at one time, not once at the rapture, and once just prior to Christ's physical appearance on the Day of the Lord per Matthew 24.
For more on disputing a "Secret Rapture", see this The Not So Secret Rapture
As for "all the slamming going on" towards the traditional theorists, I believe I only slam you on this blog for not using all of what scripture has to say about Christ's return. As a Chrisitian, I sincerely encourage that you look beyond the commentaries and dig into what the Bible says. And if you can poke holes into Skolfield's theories for me, using biblical references (like I've done to the Tim Lahaye theory, above), then please do becuase I would appreciate a second opinion on Skolfield before getting slammed because I don't believe in the traditional theory. And as you know, I've faced a lot of criticism on Joel's blog because I don't see a secret rapture mentioned anywhere in scripture, except the pre-wrath, pre-Day of the Lord rapture when Christ physically comes back and the angel sounds the last trumpet.
I am convinced that we are on the same side, Nate, but when we see something that needs correction, we should use the Bible to correct especially in this age of the Laodicean church. Too few are willing to correct and point out error these days since it's not considered politically correct (hence the focus on seeker-sensitive church services - shame on us Christians for not taking a stand more often.
If I offended you, I didn't mean to and I apologize, but at the same time, I refuse to go with the crowd simply because it avoids contention. We live in a godless age both in and outside of what's left of Christ's church.
That article that I refer to in my last post (The Not So Secret Rapture) makes an excellent point that I forgot in my last reply. That is Acts 1:11:
11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
Christ isn't going to hover over the earth and pluck Christians out, and then leave to let those left behind suffer through a theorized future 7-year tribulation. Plus, my reading of the bible tells me that Israel is not going to suffer under a later revealed anti-Christ, because Jacob's trouble is over, and God is in the process of restoring Israel. (Ezekiel 39:25-26, 29; Ezekiel 36:8-38;Amos 9:11-15;Jeremiah 23:3-4; and Joel 2 is a fantastic chapter describing the restoration of Jacob/Israel to God. Joel 2:16 talks about the bridegroom meeting her bride (pre-wrath rapture, I bet) just prior to the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's wrath on unbelievers.
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